The Londors family in the second half of the 19th century

Following on from the previous post:

At the time of the 1861 census, John and Mary Ann Londors seem to be living at the same address they occupied ten years earlier, since Benjamin Brett Hatton, whose house is now described as ‘Hattons Carswell’, is still their next door neighbour. The houses either side are now said to be at Hattons Corner, while a little further along is Fern Hall farmhouse. Beyond that are two properties ‘by Red House’, then Red Bridge cottage, Red House cottage, and Stone Hall (like Clayhall, one of the ancient manor houses of Barking), where widow Sarah Bush owns a 210 acre farm employing 10 men and 4 boys. Some way further along, the road becomes Beehive Road.

This is three years before William’s marriage to Caroline Feller, so he is still living at home, aged 24, as are Mary, 27, and James, 18. John junior, of course, had been married for 10 years by this date, and he can be found, with his wife Sarah and young family, living four houses away from his parents at Hattons Corner. Beyond their property is St Swithin’s Farm, where James Black farms 153 acres and employs 6 men and 2 boys.

In my last post I noted that John and Sarah were probably married in Stepney in 1851. There’s a suggestion that they may lived in the area for a while after their marriage, before moving back to Barking. According to census records, their eldest daughter Sarah was born in Barkingside, but I’ve found the record of a baptism of Sarah Ann Londors, daughter of John and Sarah Londors, on 5th September 1852 in the parish church of Bromley St Leonard. I haven’t yet found any record of the birth of their second daughter, Alma, but their third child, Alice Mary Ann, was definitely born in the Romford district in 1859.

The 1861 census notes that John, 33, and Sarah, 32, had three children at this stage: Sarah, 8, Alma, 6, and Alice, 1. They also had two lodgers: widow William Thoroughgood from Great Easter, and his son George, both agricultural labourers.

By 1871, 18 year old daughter Sarah appears to have left home, but there are four new members of the family: Edith, 9, George, 7 (my great grandfather), Albert, 4, and Emma, 4 months. William Thoroughgood, now 68, is still lodging with the family. The family are now said to be living in St Swithins Road, but there is evidence to suggest that this is the same road as in 1861, though now renamed. Immediately next door on one side is a house occupied by an under gardenner and groom, presumably employees at Claybury Hall, which is the next property along. Resident at Claybury Hall are tobacco broker Alexander Branwell Bremmer, his wife, sister in law, 6 children, and seven servants. Beyond Claybury Hall are houses occupied by a gamekeeper and a head gardener, who are probably employees of the Bremmers. The next property along is Claybury Farm, home to solicitor and landowner of 398 acres Henry Sewell, his wife, brother (‘M.B. University of London’ and farmer, 268 acres), a lady’s maid, housemaid, and cook. In the other direction, a few houses away, are John Londors junior’s parents, John and Mary Ann Londors, now 85 and 68 respectively, who are on their own but still living next door to Benjamin Brett Hatton.

Claybury Hall, Barking

In the 1881 census the address for John junior and Sarah is given as ‘Shattmans Farm Beehive Road Cottage in yard’. Next door is Shattmans Farm itself, then Stone Hall Farm, Red Bridge Road, and then the Old Red House. The children still living at home are George, 17, Albert, 14, and Nancy Emma, 10.

Living with them there’s also their 6 year old grandson, whose name has been wrongly transcribed as William J. Angar. Until recently, young William’s link to the family was a mystery to me. However, I’ve now found what looks like the record of the marriage of  John and Sarah’s oldest daughter – also called Sarah – who was born in about 1853. On Christmas Day, 1873, Sarah Londors, 21, son of farm labourer John Londors, married whitesmith William Orgar, 29, son of John Orgar, a pipemaker, in the parish church of St. Botolph’s, Bishopsgate.  Born in 1875, William John Orgar was obviously staying with his grandparents at the time of the census.

At the same time  Sarah was living with her husband William Orgar and her other son, 2 year old Ernest, at 8 Upper Dorset Street, Marylebone. Living with them is Sarah’s 18 year old sister Edith. I haven’t been able to find a record in the census for their sister Alma, but tin 1880 another sister, Alice Mary Ann, had married whitesmith Thomas William Beale in Marylebone and gave her address as 8 Upper Dorset Street. So it looks as though this generation of Londors sisters migrated from Barking to the West End of London, probably in search of work, in the same way that the previous generation of Londors moved to the East End.

It appears that John Londors senior died in 1876. The 1881 census has his widow Mary Ann, still living at the same address at ‘Hattons Corner Beehive’, next door to landowner Llewellyn Hatton (son of Benjamin), with her unmarried 38 year old son James.  A couple of houses further along is another son, William, 42, his Shadwell-born wife Caroline, 39 (see previous post), and their children James, 13, John, 11, Mary Ann, 9, Caroline, 7, Lizzie, 5, Sarah Ann, 3, and George, 6 months.  Both houses are not far away from the home of John junior, Sarah and their family (see above).

Mary Ann Londors seems to have died in 1887, aged 85. At first it was difficult to find records of the Londors family in the 1891 census, until I discovered that their surname had been wrongly transcribed as ‘London’. Having worked this out, I was able to locate William and Caroline Londors and their family at Hattons Corner, two properties away on one side from the Hattons at Carswell House, and on the other side William’s brother James, now 47, still occupying his parents’ house, together with his unmarried sister Mary Ann, 50.

Two houses further along, at St Swithin’s Cottages, are John junior and Sarah, now 62 and 61 respectively, together with sons George, 26, and Albert, 24, both farm labourers like their father. A different grandson is with them for this census: Berty Orgar, 9, who was born in Marylebone.

In that same year, 1891, John and Sarah’s daughter Alma, 36, who gave her address as Elm Hall, Wanstead, married butcher James John Clyne, 32, at the church of St. John the Baptist, Hoxton. Also in 1891, her sister Sarah and husband William Orgar and family were living in Stanhope Street, St. Pancras.  Another sister, Alice and husband Thomas Beale had moved to Barking and were living in at farmhouse at St. Swithin’s Farm, with their daughters Elizabeth, 10 and Alma, 6.

The 1901 census finds John and Sarah Londors, aged 73 and 72 respectively, having finally retired, living at St. Mary’s Hospital Almshouses, Ilford, two doors away from the Bishop of Barking. John’s brother James, 57 and sister Mary Ann, 60, were still living in the same house as before, now called Carswell Cottage. Their sister Alice and her husband Thomas Beale were two doors away, with their 17 year old dressmaker daughter, Alma. Meanwhile, their sister Alma and her husband James Clyne were living in Regency Street, Westminster.

In 1896, John and Sarah Londors’ son George, my great grandfather had got married. I’ll write more about this, and his wife Sarah’s complicated background, in another post.

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