Londors, Schofield, Orgar

In an earlier post, I wrote about my great great grandfather, Barking farm labourer John Schofield Londors, who was born in 1827. (My mother’s maiden name is Londors, and her father George John – my grandfather – was John Schofield Londors’ grandson.) I suggested that John’s middle name might be the maiden name of his mother, Mary Ann (his father was another John Londors), and that she might be connected with the William and Sarah Schofield to be found living near the Londors family in the 1841 census.

In that census record, we find John Londors, 55, his wife Mary, 35, and their children John, 13, Sarah, 11, Elizabeth, 8, William, 4 and Mary, 11 months, living at White Hall, Barkingside. I haven’t been able to find this property on a map, but according to the census it was close to Hattons Corner, Fern Hall and Red Bridge (see the maps in this post).

One of the households at the latter location was that of William Schofield (like John Londors, an agricultural labourer) and his wife Sarah, both 70. If these ages are more or less correct, than William and Sarah were born in about 1770. Records show that William and Mary had three daughters: Sarah Ann, christened on 11 November 1798, Mary Ann, christened on 18 September 1803, and Anne, christened on 20 July 1806, all in Barking. To date, I haven’t been able to find any other records for Sarah Ann and Anne, but I believe it was Mary Ann Schofield who married John Londors. She would have been 38 rather than 35 in 1841, but this might be another example of the census officials rounding ages to the nearest 5. We know from later records that her middle name was Ann and that she was born in Barking.

Barking parish church in 1839

In 1841 the Schofields were sharing their house at Red Bridge with four other people: Mary Baker, 80, Robert Shackman, 69, Sarah Orgar, 13, and Henry Cooke, 7. At least some of these might be relatives, and so provide a clue as to the Schofields’ origins. One of the names, in particular, is intriguing. In 1873, Sarah Ann Londors, daughter of John Schofield Londors, would marry William Orgar, son of tobacco pipe maker John Orgar. The latter was born in Barking, the son of another John Orgar, and he had a sister Sarah Ann, born in 1832. Although the dates don’t quite match (another case of official approximation?), the name is unusual enough to make it at least possible that this is the Sarah to be found living with the Schofields in 1841.

Valentine’s, Ilford: presumably Valentine Cottage was connected with this ancient mansion in some way

If so, this suggests some kind of link between the Schofields and the Orgars (and thus between the Orgars and the Londors family). The 1851 census, which shows William and Sarah Schofield (now said to be 83 and 81 respectively) living at Valentine Cottage, Barking, reveals that Sarah was born in ‘Al(d)gate’. I haven’t yet found a record of her birth, or of her marriage to William, but might her maiden name have been Orgar? Or is the connection to the Orgar family on William’s side?

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