The family of Ann Blanch and James Groom

Important update: 21 April 2011

Following recent research by my distant relative Robin Blanch, it now seems unlikely that James Blanch, the father of my ancestor John Blanch, was the son of William Blanch. However, I will leave  this post in place until further information becomes available.

In the last post I wrote about William Blanch and his wife Ann Cushee, and their son William and his wife Ann Yalden. The latter couple had two children: James and Ann. It’s from James that I trace my descent (he was my 4 x great grandfather) and I’ll write about him and his family in a future post.

In this post I want to record what is known about James’ sister Ann and her family, drawing on information I’ve recently gleaned from other family trees at Ancestry, and from my own research.

Ann, who was born in Holborn on 5 March 1758, married James Groom at the church of St. Clement Danes, Westminster, on 15 November 1783. This information comes from the International Genealogical Index but so far I’ve been unable to find a record of the marriage at Ancestry.  Judging by previous experience, this may be because many of the records from St. Clement Danes appear to be missing. James Groom, born in Harefield, Middlesex in September 1760, was the son of Henry Groom and Sarah Rowe.

According to other family trees at Ancestry, James and Ann had seven children. Francis Henry Groom was born at St. Botolph Bishopsgate on 29 August 1784, James Foster Groom on 15 April 1786, and Sarah Ann Groom in Camberwell in 1789. I’ve been unable to find baptismal records for any of these, but their remaining children were all baptised at St Michael Bassishaw (which stood on land now covered by the Barbican complex): John in October 1791; Hannah Harriet in September 1794; Mary Ann in October 1796; and Robert in May 1800.

St. Michael Bassishaw, Basinghall Street, London

It’s possible that James Groom died in Hyde Court, Camberwell in 1836 and Ann in Islington in 1844.

Francis Henry Groom married Elizabeth or Eliza Horne at St. Botolph Aldersgate on 11 August 1805. They had eight children: Francis Henry (1807), James Edward (1809), Alfred Joseph (1811), Frederick Butler (1815), Eliza Frances (1816), Edward Pittman (1819), Julia (1821) and Robert (1824).

Eliza died on 13 December 1828 and Francis Henry remarried on 4 September 1830 at St. Botolph’s Aldersgate, to Susannah Letitia Reynolds, the daughter of Richard Reynolds and Hannah Over. Francis and Susannah had five children: Jemima Hannah (1831), Letitia Elizabeth (1833), Seymour Richard (1837), George (1839) and Charles D’Oyley (1843). In 1841 the family was living in Dalston Rise, Hackney, and Francis Henry’s occupation is given as ‘scholastic’ (or schoolteacher). Susannah died in 1844 and Francis in 1848.

Map of Dalston, Hackney, in 1830

James Foster Groom married Mary Gayter at St. Giles in the Fields, Holborn, on 17 December 1808. They had six children: James Charles (born in 1807 in Shoreditch), Mary Ann (1809 in Southwark),  Emma (1810 in Kennington), Charles Edward (1813 in Southwark), (1815 in Southwark and died there in the following year), Frances Charles (1817 in Southwark), and William George (1819 in Southwark).

I’m not sure what became of Sarah Ann Groom or John Groom, though there’s a possibility that the latter died in 1798 at the age of seven. Hannah Groom died in 1798 at the age of four. Mary Ann Groom died in 1806 at the age of ten and Robert Groom in 1800 at the age of one. It’s possible, then, that Francis Henry Groom and James Foster Groom were the only children of James Groom and Ann Blanch who survived into adulthood.

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8 Responses to The family of Ann Blanch and James Groom

  1. Pingback: The family of Francis Henry Groom (1784 – 1848) | Martin Robb’s Family History Blog

  2. Jen says:

    Hi The Groom family you are looking for are all listed in Burkes Colonial Gentry.

    • Groom Ancestor says:

      Can you please direct which fields to prompt the findings of the Groom family via the Burkes Colonial Gentry please?

  3. Richard Cairns says:

    Just a small correction – after Charles Edward Groom there was a first Frances Groom born 1815 and he died 1816 – then a second Frances Groom born in 1817

  4. John C Groom says:

    I am Confused
    Did my Great Great Grandfather who I have always known of only as Francis Groom (1817- 1890) have the second name of Charles?. In his will he refers to himself as Francis Groom and his fathers will (James Foster Groom) (Copy in Tasmania Archives) also only refers to him as Francis, whilst in the same document he refers to his other surviving brother as James Charles.
    I am also fairly certain his tombstone only has Francis Groom. In a cultural sense the males in our family were always identified by the their first and second names My father being Frederic Colin Wilson Groom his father being Francis Colin Groom His Father being Frederick Fletcher Goom except FFG s father was just Francis !
    lots of great uncles cousins etc were also identified this way Warner Ottley Groom, Arthur Graham Groom, Arthur Champion Groom etc
    I know that Francis Groom had a son, the eldest of 11 children Francis Charles Groom born Sept 1840 so maybe this is a point of confusion.
    Is there a definitive record of Francis Grooms Birth and Baptism ? ( I understand he was baptised at St Marys Newington London maybe april 1817

  5. i came upon your blog via a Google search for Woodford, London or Essex as it states on the 1871 census for my great x 3 grandfather Henry Windsor. he lived in Whitehall Lane there. anyway glancing through i noticed several places that feature in my own families history in London. such as Aldgate, St Botolphs Bishopsgate, Hackney, & funnily enough Other Winder. (lazy cut n paste) ‘The unusual forename ‘Other’ is traditional in the family & derives from a legendary Windsor Saxon Baron ancestor ‘Otho’ or ‘Othere’.’ it was usually used as a middle name. there are variant spellings of Windsor such as Winsor, Winser, Winzor, Winzer & Winzar.

    Then i saw the surname Groom linked to the Aldgate area. my great x 4 uncle Charles George Price Windsor had a Ship and Insurance Brokers: Charles Windsor, Son and Groom, No. 4, New London Street, Fenchurch Street, London. a coincidence perhaps??? the Groom in question was a Henry Edward. The company was dissolved in 1877, then continued in Grooms name only.

    • Martin says:

      Hi Amanda
      Thank you for your comment. The information about ‘Other Winder’ is fascinating. Could ‘Winder’ be a variant of ‘Windsor’, and ‘Other’ a variant of ‘Otho’, I wonder? That may help me to discover the identity of this curiously-named person! I’m glad you found the blog interesting – I hope it helped with your own research.
      Best wishes

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