Following on from my last post, which speculated about connections between the Londors, Schofield and Orgar families, I now want to add some more information about the Orgars, in the hope that it will help to illuminate aspects of my ancestors’ lives in early 19th century London and Essex.

In the last post I noted that William Orgar (b. 1844), who married Sarah Ann Londors (1852 – 1932), was the son of pipe maker John Orgar (born 1818). For clarity, I’m referring to this John as John Orgar (3), since he was the third in a line of John Orgars, who were all tobacco pipe makers. As also noted in that post, John Orgar (3) was the son of the John Orgar (2) who I believe married Sarah Anne Schofield, daughter of William and Sarah Schofield.

John Orgar (2) was baptised on 17 March 1799 at St Dunstan’s, Stepney and the record shows him to have been the son of John Orgar (1), a tobacco pipe maker of Mile End Old Town, and his wife Sarah. He was said to have been ‘born 2nd October last’, in other words in 1798. To date, we don’t have any information about any possible siblings.

Mile End Old Town, from Horwood's London map of 1792

Either John Orgar (1) moved his family from Stepney to the Barking area some time in the early years of the 19th century, or his son John Orgar (2) moved there in search of work as a young man. It was probably in Barking that John (2) married his wife Sarah Ann (possibly Schofield), who was born there. A record of their marriage has yet to turn up, but it must have been before 1818-19 when their son John (3) was born in Barking (we know his place and approximate date of birth from later census records).

By the time that their second child, Mary Ann, was born in 1826, John and Sarah Ann Orgar had moved to Red Lion Street in Richmond-on-Thames, Surrey. The record of Mary Ann’s baptism at St. Mary’s church confirms that John (2) was following in the footsteps of his father John (1), and was working as a pipe maker.

St. Mary's, Richmond-on-Thames

Another daughter, Sarah Ann Orgar, was born in either 1829 or 1832 (depending on which census you believe) and according to a later census this was in the Romford area. Finally, Elizabeth Ann Orgar was born in about 1838, and according to later records this event occurred at Bunhill Row, St. Luke’s, Middlesex.

Bunhill Row in the mid 19th century

In 1840 John (2) and Sarah Ann’s oldest child, John (3), married Sarah Hippisley Shean in the Romford district, suggesting that he had remained in the area where he was born. I don’t know where John (3) and Sarah were a year later, at the time of the 1841 census, but (as mentioned in my last post) John’s parents – John (2) and Sarah Ann, both aged 43- together with daughters Mary Ann, 15, and Elizabeth, 3, were living at the Woodman Inn on Archway Road in Highgate. Daughter Sarah, who would have been about 13, was absent from home and (again as mentioned in the last post) she is almost certainly the person of that name staying in Barking with William and Sarah Schofield, whom I believe to have been her maternal grandparents.

Archway Road under construction

On 6 September 1846, Mary Ann Orgar married tobacco pipe maker Joseph Hopkins, son of John Joseph Hopkins, another pipe maker, at St. Dunstan’s, Stepney. Both parties were said to be resident in Stepney at this time, perhaps at the address where they could be found five years later. The 1851 census finds John (2) and Sarah Orgar living at 34 White Horse Street, off Commercial Road, in the Ratcliff district of Stepney. This was obviously some kind of pipe making factory, since at the same address were pipe maker Samuel Wind, 41, a widower, and his three daughters-in-law (step-daughters?) who all had the surname Welham; Charlotte Bumby, 60, and Maria Robinson, 40, both widows and working as pipe finishers; pipe trimmer L.F. Fines (?), a widower, aged 45 – and pipe maker Joseph Hopkins and his wife Mary Ann (nee Orgar), both 25.

I don’t know where the other Orgar daughter, Sarah Ann, was in 1851, when she would have been about 23 years old. However, in 1855 she married copper-plate printer John Sharp, son of Alexander Sharp who had the same occupation, at St. Matthew’s Bethnal Green. At the time both Sarah and John were said to be living at 2 Waltham Cottages.

By the time of the 1861 census, John and Sarah Sharp were living in Tottenham and Sarah’s sister Elizabeth was living with them. Elizabeth was working in an India rubber factory, and one assumes this is where she met her husband, waterproofer John Record, son of weaver Samuel Record, whom she would marry later that year, at St. Dunstan’s Stepney. At the time Elizabeth gave her address as 7 Silver Street, while John was said to be living at No. 5. (Silver Street was north of Commercial Road and south of Stepney Green).

India rubber waterproof works

I’ve yet to find John Orgar (2) in the 1861 census. He died in Bethnal Green in 1866, at the age of 68. His wife Sarah Anne died four years later, in January 1870, in Mile End Old Town; she was 70.

I’ll write about what became of their children – John (3), Mary Ann, Sarah Ann and Elizabeth Ann – in another post.


I omitted mention of one record from the above overview of the life of John Orgar (2), because I’m not absolutely sure it refers to ‘our’ John. On reflection, though, how many John Orgars were born in Middlesex in 1798?

On 10 June 1844, a John Orgar, aged 46, was acquitted at the Central Criminal Court of Middlesex of ‘malicious (?) cutting &c with intent to do bodily harm’.